in florida, with marco rubio's leadership, with bobby jindal, with a whole range of people, susanna martinez, the governor of mexico, i do believe there is an attitude of being honest about the problem. rick perry tried to talk about it in a candid way. i think it was very unfortunate, and frankly, helped cost us the election. if mitt romney had gotten 36% of the latino vote, he would have won a majority of the popular vote. >> who do you blame for his lack of hispanic support? >> well, i have to blame mitt romney. i mean, as you know -- >> you had a big fight -- >> as you know, i said something i thought was self-evident, when i said, we're not going to deport grandmothers who have been here 25 years. and romney came and said, well, they'll self-deport. now, that is the most anti-human phrase you can imagine. you think a grandmother is going to self-deport, leave her grandchildren and children. now you try to talk to the son about jobs, and he says, what, you want to deport my mother and you want to talk to me about jobs? we didn't just lose latinos, we lost asian americans by a greater num